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um now one other thing that i thought

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was really quite interesting and uh you

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said yourself that someone needs to

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interview this person so i'm going to be

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working on that the uh can't remember

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their name now but the author of the uh

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living in the hearts book

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oh no oh yeah that one oh uh that's uh

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juvalo uh jungvalo

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right okay i'm gonna definitely have a

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look into that because this the the

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statement regarding the uh the mur the

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merkabah uh of lights uh is is just

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absolutely uh fascinating so i i would

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love to try and get that person on

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record to uh to try and dig into what

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else they were told by was it was a

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major

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yeah with him yeah and um the back story

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in that is uh guess where i heard that

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inside the building inside headquarters

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okay so that's definitely something

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that's uh made made it around the coffee

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table a few times yeah yeah yeah and but

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it was more like oh did you hear that

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so that's interesting

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yeah we had an informal ufo study group

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in the building

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no one had a ufo account per se you know

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no one said okay your job is to look at

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ufos but we just encountered like

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instances of gee that's unusual i should

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look into that um there are many many

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the uh the the other anything but

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yeah

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um conundrum

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yeah yeah is he still alive oh yes he

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disappeared he's off

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no one knows where he's at no one knows

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where he's i don't know where to find

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him yeah he's a major he was a major

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figure everyone in the building knew who

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he is

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interesting when the years he served if

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you say his name chase brandon they know

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exactly who he is

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right

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he was quite the notable figure in the

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building

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but he wrote this novel which i tell

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people read it and read between the

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lines you'll be surprised at what you

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read yeah from his perspective

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so does he does he actually pose it as a

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novel uh kind of a bit like secret

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machines where they say it's fact woven

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with fiction

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exactly yeah and that's the only way he

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could have done it yeah

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yeah exactly of course and this is to be

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fair i would i would argue it's the same

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uh with the secret machines books uh by

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uh to the stars academy um

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you know there's some interesting

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tidbits throughout those books and uh

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you know they are supposed to be fact

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woven with fiction and

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tom de long was in contact with people

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like general mcasland and some pretty

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major players so uh i think that they're

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definitely worth uh keeping in mind as

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well but i'm gonna definitely have a

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look at that book um if it's available

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to to purchase online

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you know it's getting on here and and

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we've been talking for a while but in

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relation to

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to possible uh reptilian e.t presence on

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earth now obviously i understand that

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this is part of your speculative you

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know approach and no no one can can

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fully verify any of this but uh

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are the reptilian style intelligence

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patches the primary data point uh that

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gives you reason to postulate on on a

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reptilian intelligence or there are

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other other things that you

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you feel strength in that argument

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there are other things i feel strength

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in that argument but i don't have

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permission from those people

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to talk about that

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it's

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not exactly a download

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that's okay but there yeah but there are

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certainly other things that you feel uh

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have

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given you given you yeah okay you see

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yeah that is interesting i mean you know

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it's no secret that this is something

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that's discussed within uh the ufo

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community and in all honesty it's

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usually treated with a lot of

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controversy and people don't want to

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really go there

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um

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but this this subject is

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is absurd anyway and uh i i you know i

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think that there's always the

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possibility for this type of thing to

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exist within that space and you know

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you've you've had people like louis

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lozando recently hinting quite heavily

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that uh an important potential signature

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of extraterrestrial intelligence is

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human dna uh and and as you were saying

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you know why are we not like bonobos or

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chimps or chimpanzees or you know we're

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we're right we're in order of magnitude

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above anything else on this planet uh

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how did that happen you know yeah that's

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that's in my letter to cia where i just

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stated that i know this and here's where

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i heard it and here's the circumstances

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i heard it

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and i didn't put it in there i made it

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speculative because i wanted the entire

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presentation to go through

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next time around um i can quote chapter

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and verse of why that

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might be true yeah well unclassified

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that by the way unclassified right right

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well speaking of chapter and verse i

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mean you know you look back on

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things like the bible and obviously the

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garden of eden the reptilian the the the

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fruits uh from the tree of knowledge uh

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and uh i think in in the uh original

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yahweh walking through the garden saying

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if they if they if they eat of this

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fruit they will become like we are which

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is an interesting statement to make it

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will become like we are and uh you know

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the reptilian symbology is just echoed

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through uh history uh so that's

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certainly an interesting thing

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john this this has been absolutely

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brilliant i think people are going to

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really find a lot of benefit from this

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presentation i'm sure it's going to

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spark some curiosity for the people that

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love technical information as well

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there's plenty of good technical tidbits

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alongside some

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interesting albeit a little disturbing

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speculations uh of uh of the overarching

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issues of the phenomenon um really

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looking forward to whatever your next

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presentation is going to be

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and maybe you will succeed in your

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mission of eventually getting something

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redacted

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um i would think that the last topic we

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just talked about of um

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reptilian seems to have a bad

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connotation here people are afraid of

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reptiles let's just call them sarians

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let's just call them like dinosaurs from

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an earth that did not get clobbered by

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an asteroid and they were able to evolve

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and found a means of coming here

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from that other earth let's just put it

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at that

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and that they're the ones that

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you know saying hey look at these

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primates or we don't have primates in

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our place then when they never evolved

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and that goes down a wormhole a rabbit

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hole that uh actually um

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let's see if i get that redacted

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yeah well uh that's a teaser that's a a

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teaser for the next one and uh you know

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another another thing that we're just

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gonna have to tap into at some point um

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is the fact that you are an experiencer

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i'm an experiencer yes i'm not an

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experiencer from childhood uh i'm amazed

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and fascinated by people that have had

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these experiences all the way through

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childhood that is going to have to be

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another time but i would love to get you

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back on for a more

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relaxed conversation about your

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experiences my experiences and we can

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just you know talk sharp and speculate

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about what these things could mean

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you're right right yeah i look forward

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to that jay all right well having me on

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oh you are you are most welcome and

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you're always welcome back john it's